Friday, October 7, 2011

451 1-40 Period 5

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  1. The beginnnig of "Fahrenheit 451" has similar beginnings to "The Pedestrian". How do the characters Guy Montag and Leonard Mead share similar situations in their respective stories?

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  2. Class- Mrs.Montag attempted to commit suicide, will she try again or did she take all of the sleeping pills on accident? It seems as though either she is lying about remembering or she really did it by accident.

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  3. Class- What is wrong with Mildred? I know that she took some pills and then some doctors came.......... Is there something else that I am missing?

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  4. Ellen- She took sleeping pills, as an attempt to kill herself.

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  5. Andrew - Mildred seems to be somewhat light-headed in the morning scene after the night of the overdose. I think she overdosed by accident.

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  6. Class-It seems that the restrictions are commonly occurring in the future, in your opinion will this be a possibility? If so, what would you do to battle against it or for it? If not, what will you do to ensure it doesn't happen or does?

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  7. Why does Guy take a book from the ladies house?

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  8. Class- Why do you think Mildred would try to kill herself? After the event, she seemed to be a generally happy person.

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  9. Ellen- i have a feeling that Mildred is in some form of depression. I also think that she has the same curiosity that Montag has, but I'm not certain.

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  10. Andrew- If you notice, she sometimes forgets little things or repeats herself. I think that she might be really forgetful for some reason... Like Hazel in Harrison Bergeron??

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  11. Class - I believe that the Mechanical Hound is a symbol for the common man. Does anyone else think that?

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  12. Ellen- I thought the criminals drugged her?

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  13. Class- Something that really intrigued me and that I thought was confusing was how on page 30, Clarisse says that many kids are dieing. I would think that so far in the future that terrible things like murder would be able to calm down and be given a better name. Why do you think so many teenagers are being killed in this time period?

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  14. Cole- I don't feel like the characters you referenced were based off of each other or similar. I feel like the uncle of the neighbor girl they spoke about was the pedestrian. She talked about how he just liked to walk around the town. Although, Montag does say that he was surprised at how many lights were on in the house. Leonard spoke about how he didn't see any lights on and that it was normal.

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  15. Emily- I don't think there is one answer. Guy had been having strange thoughts, and I believe that he was beginning to wonder why firefighters burned books. Perhaps he was curious.

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  16. Emily- I think Guy took the book because Clarisse intrigued him when she asked if he ever read the books he burned

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  17. Andrew- Mildred probably did take the pills by accident. It is Bradbury's way of showing how careless and disturbing the society is.

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  18. Class- On page 4, it states, "(Guy) fell down the hole. At the last moment, when diaster seemed positive, he pulled his hands from his pocketsadm broke his fall by grasping the golden pole. he slid to a squeaking halt, the heels one inch from the concrete floor downstairs." WHay would the author put this in? Does it show somethiing about his veiw on life or his personality? Maybe it's a bit of foreshadowing?

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  19. Emily- I think that Montag is slowly becoming more and more curious of what information books contain. This may also show that Montag is starting to question why they do burn books.

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  20. Class- Who do you think Guy has made enemies with to a point were they set a machine monster on him?

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  21. Cole- I think that they both share similar situations in the way that they both don't follow the "rules of society." Even though Guy is a firefighter, I believe that he stands out like Leonard did when he took his nightly walks.

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  22. Lauren- I was not sure if the Mechanical Hound was a symbol, but after re-reading, I believe it is actually a mechanical hound that is perhaps controlled by a human.

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  23. Class- The Fireman talk about the past and say that Ben Franklin was the first fireman. Is this them lying or is this their real history?

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  24. Maddie-isn't Guy a firefighter though? So even the people who are around books don't know why they are doing it right?

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  25. Maddie- I also thought that her suicide attempt was interesting. Why would she take away her own life? I wonder if anything has happened in the past that is hurting her or something between Mildred and Guy.

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  26. Sanjay- In my opinion, don't think someone can take 30-40 pills by accident. I'm pretty sure that she was attempting suicide.

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  27. Class - on page 14, when Guy finds Mildred and the sleeping pills, he talks about machines inside your body that most likely represent sorrow. He also recalls it has an eye. In that passage, why did he capitalize the first letter of the word eye? "It fed in silence with an occasional sound of inner suffocation and blind searching. It had an Eye" (Bradbury 14)

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  28. Andrew- She probably took all the sleeping pills to cope with something that occured before the book begins. Perhaps she feels lonely because her husband is arriving very late from work often.

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  29. Zoey- I definitely did not think of that connection. So it could be how everyone has less intelligence in this future age because of their addiction to technology. Harrison Bergeron had all of the people with average intelligence as idiots, so that is the norm in this time.

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  30. Class- I think Clarisse;s character is very similar to Luna Lovegood in the Harry Potter series. Did anyone else make that comparison?

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  31. Class - What was going on with Montag and the Hound? It seemed so random.

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  32. Maddie- I definitely agree with that. Clarisse's free spirit and willingness to be different is VERY similar to Luna's.

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  33. Brian - The "Eye" may have somehting to do with it was all knowing. I was kind of comfuzed as well.

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  34. Sarah- I don't necessarily think that Guy has made enemies with anyone in the story. I think that maybe someone has seen him take books when they're supposed to be burning them. Or Guy is so guilty for taking the books that he is becoming real defensive and is turning small incidents to direct threats.

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  35. Sanjay - -You're right about the pills. When Montag sees Mildred in the morning, she seems light-headed and almost stupid. Someone like that could easily forget how many pills to take.

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  36. Class- It seems like people (except for Clarisse) are very numb and unobservant to their surroundings. Why is this? What's different about Clarisse that she notices the little things around her?

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  37. Maddie - I never thought of that, but you are completely right!

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  38. Brooke - that's why i think that the hound is a symbol for the common man. That it is like the common man controlled by the government.

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  39. MaddieM- I did think of that! They are both perceived as eccentric, though maybe they are less crazy than everyone thinks.

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  40. Lauren-I believe they THINK it is the real history. Guy has never been allowed to read a book and therefore only knows his fireman history, and not the firemen we have today.

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  41. Meagan- I think that because placing such restrictions upon society would be so unconstitutional, that it would not even be something to consider. America has strict regulations upon placing such restrictions that it would basically take the fall of America for anything like that to happen.

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  42. Maddie- I get that impression too, because she is so scatter brained and she seems like she is ni her own little world.

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  43. Brian- That is a really interesting point. I didn't notice it when I was reading. Maybe it means that the eye is a dramatic part to the hollowness of her life and how in herself there is something that isn't really her anymore.

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  44. Sanjay- I agree with Maddie, Mildred probably was trying to attempt an escape from this terrible, restricted lifestyle. Perhaps, she was an author, or maybe an English teacher in her "past life"?

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  45. Taylor - It also could relate to the "Eye" of the medical man whom Montag contacted upon seeing Mildred in such a horrible state. The "Eye" could represent a second proper noun for the one who sees all.

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  46. Lauren- I believe this is supposed to show how our world will end up if we stay on this path. Like the poll we did yesterday, news is biased. The role was most likely changed and slanted until a fireman's job is to burn books. They then altered the history to make it seem as though it is fact that this is the fireman's job.

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  47. Taylor- I think the fire pole scene is interesting too. Maybe it means that Montag's character is one who leaves problems to be solved until the last possible minute.

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  48. Zoey - I think it is that the world is too absorbed with technology. I think Clarisse and her family are the connection to the way things used to be.

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  49. Lauren- I see what your saying now. It symbolizes being chained and taking orders only from someone else without having the capability to think for itself.

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  50. Class- So far, the author hasn't provided a single, clear explanation of why books are banned in the future. Why or what could have happened for the government to take such drastic action?

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  51. Sarah (and Lauren)- I agree what you say that they think it is history. This is what they have been told and they don't know anything different. This is an example of the government controlling what people know and don't know.

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  52. Zoey- I think it might be because there is always a person who questions things nobody else wonders about. And to me it seems like she doesn't take her life for granted and actually enjoys it instead of living through it numbly.

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  53. Class- If the society is already so careless and harmful in their day-to-day lives, how destructive will their upcoming war be?

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  54. Maddie- I think that Luna is a perfect example of Clarrise! I was thinking the same thing when I was reading because she had that radiant complextion and she seemed very inferring and questioning.

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  55. Sarah - I think that's true that it's the believed history but not the real one.

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  56. Class- Do you think there is any importance in the fact that Clarisse wasn't there when Montag was looking for her?

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  57. Class- Why does Clarice take such a liking to Montag?

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  58. Maddie- That is a really great connection! I never thought about it that way....=)

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  59. Jeremy-It might be that the government or whoever is running this show thinks that the people are getting too smart for their own good.

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  60. Class - Were houses made fireproof because firemen were now supposed to start fires or were firemen ordered to start fires in response to the houses becoming fireproof?

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  61. Taylor - I was wondering that too. I just remember thinking that would hurt. But I think he just put in in the book to get more into the story, and be a little less boring.

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  62. Maddie M - That is an interenting take. I agrred with that too.

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  63. Sanjay- Upcoming war- do you mean what they heard on the radio system in the firehouse?

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  64. Class- do you think that there are any books that can be read?

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  65. Sarah- I actually think that the Mechanical Dog is trained to realize a weakness in people for their hunger for books. As Montag starts to change, the Mechanical Dog senses this and starts to attack him as a way to show, "watch out."

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  66. Maddie- Yes, they say that war is around the corner.

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  67. Brian- I think that the firemen were ordered to burn the books, so in response to that, they made the houses fireproof to make it easier for them.

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  68. Class- In the book Guy thinks back to the time when he met the old man who told him something, but Guy has not revealed in the story what the man told him. What is the secret he is keeping and why has he not revealed it to the reader?

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  69. Class- Montag seems like an average fireman at the beginning of the novel. After the girl, Clarisse, we see how different he is and how he is being changed by this girl. What do you think will happen to Montag's life now that he has been affected by this girl? Also, what is behind the grate, books perhaps? This would certainly change our view of Montag.

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  70. Emily- Look at what Maddie M said in reposnce to my question I do think that it is a litte more symbolic than just adding to the story.

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  71. Lauren- I agree with Madison in that it seems that there is such a guard against any outside information that I don't think the government would allow anything at all.

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  72. Lauren-they have the fireman's manual, so clearly there are some books that are allowed to be read. The better question is that what is so controversial about banned books?

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  73. Brian- I think that it is possibly a little of both, I think it progressed and started out being people would make their houses fireproof because of the fires but now that all the houses are fireproof so the fireman can't burn them down.

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  74. Lauren- I think that there are a few books (like the fireman's manual that Montag is reading), but they only contain information that the government (assuming they are behind this) wants people to know.

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  75. Brooke- i think that maybe that's where the plot's going to be. That it's what the main conflict will be.

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  76. Class- Clarisse said that they do not miss her in school. If this book is taking place in the future, how has education sank to such a low necessity? Wouldn't it have increased?

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  77. Class- So you think that Guy will become an outcast in his society?

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  78. Sanjay- Perhaps we'll read about it in the near future of the book. But yes, if they are as careless with was as they are with their cars, their world is in trouble.

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  79. Alex - Clarisse is so interested in Montag because he finds interest in her strange comments and sees her as unique instead of crazy or freaky.

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  80. Jeremy- I have noticed the same thing. For some reason whenever Montag asks why they burn books as firemen the answer is very vague and kind of side steps the question at hand. Also I believe that in the past maybe someone had such grave knowledge from reading books and being curious challenged what the government was doing and ever since then the government has banned books to avoid another revolt in the future.

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  81. Jeremy - I think the author is trying to show how books are disappearing. He is trying to show that books will die out. I think it is the technology, not the government. However, why they go to drastic measure such as burning, I don't know.

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  82. Lauren- I was thinking the same thing! It seems quite random, however when you look at it, it's there for a reason, and it does seem important because the author puts a high focus on it.

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  83. Sarah- that's a really interesting point. In their world, if they are terrified of books,I'm sure that education is not first priority.

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  84. Ellie-Great insight on the concept of restriction! However, if it did happen how would you react? Would you be a freedom pioneer, leading the rebellion or would you take the backseat, and just let it unfold right before your eyes?

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  85. Ellen- I think that Guy will slowly develop to be an outcast. They most likely will discover he has obtained 2 books, and most will think of him as an outcast....kind of like Clarisse.

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  86. Andrew-I believe that Clarisse's personality and peculiarity will end up rubbing off on montag, and he will become the outcast that she is now. (I know what is behind the grate, but I won't spoil it for you.)

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  87. Zoey and Hunter- I know that there is the fireman's manual, but are there any books, like Fahrenheit 451, that actually tell a story?

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  88. Jeremy and Alex - Both of you made a great point. It simply depended on the advance of technology and the breaking point of literature. Realistically, I believe houses will be made fireproof sooner simply based on the fact that we have had so many advances in technology. Non-flammable mattresses, windows, and walls have been engineered, and it seems everything else will be improved to the point of complete safety before literature breaks down.

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  89. Sarah- I think that the government has taken so much control over what happens in the world that school has become a waste, and only the "chosen" people will get a chance at a biased form of education.

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  90. Sarah- I think that in this point in time, technology has become such a large part in peoples' lives that that they no longer care because they know that there will always be a machine to take care of them.

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  91. Andrew- I also think that there are books behind the grate. Montag feels guilty about it though and knows that it is wrong. After you get to know him better you see how he doesn't feel how the other fireman feel. He is sad when the books are burned and has sympathy for the women in the burning house. What will the punishment be if the other fireman find out he has books in his house?

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  92. Sarah- I don't think that he has two books. At first I thought that, but then he says that he dropped the first and a second falls into his hands.

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  93. Ellen- I don't necessarily think that Guy will become an outcast in his society, but I do think that he is slowly going to start separating from society. I think this because he seems to to want to learn more and doesn't think that the way life is lived now is the way it should be lived.

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  94. Ellen- I defiantly think that Montag will become an outcast of is society, because the themes of "The Pedestrian" and "Harrison Beregan" are of being a social outcast and "Fahrenheit 451" makes many connections with those two stories and I think that this connection will be the same. Did that make sense?

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  95. Ellen- I agree with Sarah. Once he starts reading the books, I believe he will keep asking more and more questions and possibly start revolting.

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  96. Anrdrew - I think that Clarrise is really taking a liking to Montag (think of the dandilion scene)and I think that he is somewhat in love with her too and since we saw the wife already die (and come back to life) maybe they would become more than just friends? I know there is a huge age gap but you never know.

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  97. Sarah- Similar to society today, perhaps she is taking class online or in the home she has home school where outdoors is necessary to education.

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  98. Class- Society seems to have given up on young people-- Clarisse implies that they don't really care if you're in school or not. She also says that a lot of her peers and friends have been killed, but no one really seems concerned. Have they stopped caring that teenagers are the future? Does anyone care about the future?

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  99. Class- Do you think that Montag was always curious about the books? Or was it Clarisse that sparked an interest so strong that he stole a book?

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  100. Class - Does Montag love his wife? Because when Clarisse said that he wasn't in love, he got defensive, and he seemed to have come to a realization about something.

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  101. Ellen - Based on the current sequence of events, I think Clarisse's impact on Guy and his restraint to burn the books at Mrs. Blake's house could foreshadow a change that casts both Guy and Clarisse out away from the law.

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  102. Lauren-I believe the only "stories" that would be allowed would be those written by government officials to encourage following the rules.

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  104. Ellen- I think that guy will be so influenced by Clarisse's ideas that he might turn out to be an outcast.

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  105. Brooke- I definitely believe that Clarisse sparked this interest in books, because before he met her, he was more than happy to burn books.

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  106. Brooke - I think Montag was not curious. In the beginning, it explains how he enjoys burning them. I do not think he even questioned books until Clarisse brought it up.

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  107. Brooke- I came up with the same question and I think he originally had a curiosity, but Clarisse really brought it out of him.

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  108. Brooke- I think deep down Montag has always been very interested in books, however with everyone portraying their hate towards books, it has kind of tainted his mind. I think that Clarisse kind of reminded him that books aren't a bad thing.

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  109. Emily- I think that once upon a time Montag did love his wife, but then everything happened to his world that it may be hard to love.

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  110. Brooke- The author makes it seem that Clarisse really had an impact on Montag, because she says that he was different from the first time they met. The questions she asked also made Montag think about the world.

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  111. Class- Does anyone else see the connection between how Montag describes his hand being the one o take the book, not him and how Macbeth blamed it on his hand as well?

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  112. Class- Is the object that is behind Guys dresser where his mind keeps returning to a book?

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  113. Brooke - Just like the point I was going to make, Montag used to go with the system. When he met Clarisse and she asked him if he was happy, he reveals the fact that he's sad inside. Thus, it could've started a chain reaction that rips the surface off of Montag.

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  114. Class- on page 34, Guy said once upon a time, but the catches himself and says that he can't say that because they might know he read a fairytale. Why are fairy tales bad?

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  115. Emily-I think that Montag may love Clarisse more than his own wife! I talked about the same thing in a commment to Andrew.

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  116. Emily- I think Montag thinks that it is his responsibility to love his wife but in actuality, Clarisse's question might have sparked the realization that he doesn't love his wife as much as he thought he did.

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  117. class- would you have done what the old lady did to save society as you knew it?

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  119. Brooke- Yes, I definitely did make that connection. I think that Montag will blame the hand in the future for the taking of the book, like Macbeth blamed his hand for the murder of King Duncan.

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  120. Lauren - Alike with Harry Potter, it challenges the religious system of Adam and Eve, God, Jesus, etc. The idea of fairies could be looked down on by the religious powers.

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  121. Emily-Montag loves his wife as muchas asnyone sloves (or pays attention to ) anything in this society. How we view love today and how Clarisse viewed it would have been most unusual, if not criminal.

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  122. Meagan- I would be the one leading the rebellion for sure! I would not want something that is so precious to me suddenly taken away. I think that anyone who simply takes a backseat is basically sending out the message, "I don't care." I am not one of those people and I would fight for what I want.

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  123. What the inside was talking about was interesting, the changes from here to then are just as drastic from twenty years ago to now. Will our society really end up with this horrible society giving our path we are on?

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  124. Hunter- I was thinking the same thing. Even though in the beginning he does describe an almost pure joy of burning books, it seems as though he was very willing to learn and take action.

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  125. Class- Do you think that Montag will continue in his job of burning houses? Or will his mind be changed by Clarisse?

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  126. Class- Why does Montag take the book from the woman's house before it was burned? Does he covet the books like the woman does? Because he keeps referencing the ventilator in his ceiling when he takes the book, does he keep the "books he covets" in the ventilator, or has he had a bad experience with the ventilator and books?

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  127. Was the mirror-like quality of Clarisse's face Montag described upon meeting her symbolic to the part of Montag he didn't see in himself until just recently? His will to challenge the system?

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  128. Alex- I think eventually he will decide that this is not what he wanted to do with his life and will switch to a different profession. But there will definitely be events that cause this.

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  129. Alex- I think that Clarisse will end up changing Montag in a way where he will no longer appreciate what he does, nor appreciate his wife

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  130. Brooke - I came up with the same question last night - and came up with two conclutions:
    1 - He has a guilty contience (as one of his fellow firemen suspects)
    2. - He saved the one book from the fire (which was a good thing to do but concidered bad in society) and he is astonished at what he did.

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  131. Taylor- i believe that Montag is somewhat liking her to because for one after he doesn't see her for a couple of weeks he begins to feel like something is missing. Also I think that Montag thinks that his wife is turning into the opposite of what he fell in love with. After the the doctors pump out all the volatile stuff in Milldred's stomach he makes a comment about only if they could pump back in a new brain, which is basically saying he doesn't like how she is anymore.

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  132. Lauren- Guy recalled reading only that line in a book he was told to destroy. So, when he let that slip, he probably thought he would get caught for reading even a small section of a book.

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  133. Alex- I think that he will continue for a little while, and then perhaps he will have a breaking point and not be able to continue. Definitely after reading the book he took I don't think he'll be able to burn them.

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  134. Alex- He is already starting to change his mindset, so it seems like he has a potential to break out and challenge the system.

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  135. Alex- I think we already see the change in Montag by the fact that he took the book. He may still be in denial, but he seems so willing to try something new.

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  136. Andrew- I think it depends on if we continue with our way of life. Right now we depend so much on technology so our society end up being as corrupt as the one is "Fahrenheit 451".

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  137. Brian- As I questioned earlier, how has Clarisse affected Montag. I definitely see how he is viewing himself in the girl. I actually think he states this.

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  138. Alex-If he quits his job, people will start asking why. And if he tells them that he thinks books are good, then he will be punished. I think he will keep his job as long as he can stand it.

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  139. Andrew- I really hope that our society will not follow the path that the society in the book has gone done. Everything is very different and how Zoe C in the inner circle said that the economy is worse and the firefighters being different. This world is extremely changed and I'm not sure how people would adapt to that.

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  140. John Michael- I believe that the idea of love really changes in the future. When Clarisse asked if he was in love, the author made it seem like he was even doubting himself.

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  141. Alex- it kind of goes along with Ellie's question earlier "will he become an outcast" if he quits his job he could be shunned from his life.

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  142. Class- On page 12, Guy describes his wife as "a body on the lid of a tomb,". Do you think that he sort of knew that she had attempted suicide? Was this foreshadowing?

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  143. Class- How long does it take for censorship to create such a drastic change in the thinking and behavior of the public?

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  144. Class- why was the banning of books started? what was the spark?

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  145. Lauren- the banning of the books seems like it has been there since Benjamin Franklin- he was the first fireman.

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  146. Cole- I definitively think that Montag is keeping books in the ventilator. Also the reason why I think that Montag took the book in the first place is because he is curious of what information books contain, and why is it that as a fire men it is his job to burn books.

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  147. Emily- I believe that throughout the characters whole life, "the lifestyle" was based on technology. That's the only life they've known. I'm curious to know if their marriage resembles one of the medieval time period, more of a partnership rather than love. Perhaps Montag and Clarisse will prove to be the leaders of a rebellion against excessive technology and gaining back human-feeling and personal freedom. Maybe a revolution will take place.

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  148. Class - Does anyone think our world will ever really end up like this? I think technology will continue to grow, but I think will have the will to not succumb completely to the plasma screen.

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  149. Lauren- I don't think we know why the books are banned at this point.

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  150. Sanjay- I would think it would take a while. Because if you think about it, if we as American's felt like our rights were being taken away, we would fight against it. It would take a lot of propaganda and a lot of time to make it so wrong to fight back.

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  151. Class- Nick just talked about how Guy opened his mouth and let the rain fall in after Clarisse had gone and I think that lets us see his real personality and how he still wants to be a good person.

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  152. Alex- i think that he will stay a fireman as a cover but start to save some of the books they burn.

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  153. Class - So far, the name Montag is used more often than Guy. Could the similarity between the names Montag and Mildred have the connection of one trait (such as sadness or insecurity) like the connection of betrayal between Macbeth and Macdonwald?

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  154. Marco - That is a great connection. I would have never thought of that!

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  155. Sanjay- I think that is depends on the severity of the censorship.

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  156. Class- between now and the time period does the hatred towards books start? now or later?

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  157. Class- We've discussed why the dandelion didn't rub off on Montag (saying he wasn't in love), but why did it rub off on Clarisse? Who could she be in love with? Could this person be an important character? Is it even a person?

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  158. Sanjay- I think censorship is an idea that grows exponentially throughout a society. As the ideas spread, more and more people implicate the idea of censorship.

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  159. Lauren - We have not yet learned why yet.

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  160. Class - So far, the name Montag is used more often than Guy. Could the similarity between the names Montag and Mildred have the connection of one trait (such as sadness or insecurity) like the connection of betrayal between Macbeth and Macdonwald?

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  161. Brooke- Its interesting then that this society has completely forgotten about these ideals, even though there are still people that hide books, showing that it has not been too long.

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  162. Class - Does this remind you of the Hunger Games? The way the government twists people's words to say one thing when they mean another?

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  163. Maddie- I definitely believe this was foreshadowing, although, I don't think he knew about the attempted suicide. I believe that since the life had been sucked out of this version of our world, he sees people as lifeless. He must already see that his wife pays barely any attention to anything other than the television or her wave sounds.

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  164. Emily- I sure as heck hope not. Maybe it will, and I hope I am not alive at that time. I would feel so ashamed that the ideals that this country was founded on were overtaken, and that I didn't do my best to fight back.

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  165. Brian- Wow, that's a great connection! I did not notice that at all, and I believe you're right.

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  166. Madison- I feel that he kind of knew that she attempted suicide because he left to go to work after the medics came.

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  167. Rachael- What are some possibilities?

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  168. Sanjay- I don't think there is a certain answer to your question. We may never know when such drastic censorship is needed and should be enforced. But if it did happen, I assume the public would take a long time to conform to the new rules.

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  169. Brian- I was wondering that myself. Like in Harry Potter, Harry is called Harry, but Draco is called Malfoy.

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  170. Brian- That's a really good point! I hadn't even thought of that.

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  171. Emily- This does remind me a little of the Hunger Games because of the over protective government that controls everything and puts fear into people's life.

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  172. Jeremy-I agree. I don't think he was sure what love was. In his mind it was probably just a dormant and passive feeling, but the way Clarisse references it makes it seem like there must be something more real than Montag has ever experienced.

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  173. Class- How come the the author of "Fahrenheit 451" keep making little side comments about war like the jets roaring over Montag's house, but for some reason no one in the book ever talk about it? Is this foreshadowing an upcoming war?

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  174. Emily- I think that what the old lady did was a little extreme. Although I would definitely fight for something, I would never go that far. She obviously was trying to make a point, but I think that someone would be more useful if they were alive and fighting because society doesn't care if you die (it happens all the time). To really make a point with society, someone would have to catch their attention and do something that challenges their beliefs.

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  175. Sanjay- I see what you mean. There are still people fighting back, so it must be recent. But at the same time, I think if this were to ever happen, people would always be fighting back.

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  176. Brian- I agree completely. There can definitely be a connection between them, but I'm not so sure as to what it may symbolize.

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  177. MadisonD- i know when it started, but why?

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  178. Emily- This connection is great. Most of these stories we've read (Fahrenheit 451, The Pedestrian, and Harrison Bergeron) have shown the control of the government in the region.

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  179. Madison - It could be just a coincidence, as of now Mildred is a bit distant. It is possible she will come back into the spotlight though.

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  180. Class- Is Clarrice even a real person? She seems similar in appearance and attitude to an angel, so how does she seem to be so real and influencing on Montag?

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  181. Emily- I think that what the old lady did was a little extreme. Although I would definitely fight for something, I would never go that far. She obviously was trying to make a point, but I think that someone would be more useful if they were alive and fighting because society doesn't care if you die (it happens all the time). To really make a point with society, someone would have to catch their attention and do something that challenges their beliefs.

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  182. Marco- In the firehouse, they hear over the radio that the nation is ready for upcoming war. I definitely think that war is imminent

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  183. Marco- Good point. When the jets flew over Montag's house he didn't seem to think it was a big deal. He acted as if it happened all the time and that they were used to it. I wonder what is going on outside of Montag's world.

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  184. Emily- I think that the hatred for books has already started to begin. We are so reliant on technology and our lives are so busy, it could be argued that the need for books is pointless.

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  185. Marco- I think this might be an example of foreshadowing an upcoming war. I was wondering that myself and couldn't come up with a clear explanation. So, hopefully the book will address it soon.

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  186. Inner Circle- That amount of people, shows that they don't want to live in such horrible circumstances! But the government won't let them fight or get out of this new standard.

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  187. Class - one thing that i just thought of - this book like Lord of the Flies is showing the true, evil, nature of man. maybe this is why everyone is killing themselfs? or at least trying to?

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  188. Class- why do so many people want to commit suicide?

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  189. Mackenzie- I think he may be used to it or not think it is a big deal because they are preparing for war.

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  190. Class - What event do you think could proclaim firemen as villans instead of heroes? As of today, even people we don't like as employees, such as airport security pat-down men, are still seen as good people. What could flip the spectrum?

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  191. Class- The "snake" removes all of a person's blood, and inserts a fresh dose. It is almost like the person is being changed out, personality and all...

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  192. Zoey - I think Clarisse is in love with life, not a person. She is not numb, and she still has hope. It didn't rub off on Montag because he is still brainwashed by the society.

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  193. Class- What the inner circle is talking about interests me again! We are seeing a world where eleven people have tried to commit suicide in this one area this one night. Is the author trying to show how we think we get enjoyment out of technology, but really we get no enjoyment at all, or could this just be showing how low this society has become?

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  194. Alex- Right now we are just not so reliant on books. but in the book they have pure hate towards them.

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  195. Ellen- The point she was trying to make was the corruption of government. She did not succeed though because they did not care if she dies. Which is why Guy is so different from the other fireman. He tried to get her out while the others walked away.

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  196. Lauren- I think that underneath the "mask" as Montag calls it, that people are extremely depressed. How could they not be? In this society I think that suicide is covered up very nicely.

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  197. Lauren- the people might be the ones who are defying the government and can't stand to live in the world anymore. Like the lady who stood up to the firemen.

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  198. Sanjay - I know! And it seemed to replace her memory, or sense.

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